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Post by gorgon5 on Dec 12, 2005 9:54:50 GMT -5
I love KeyNote, but the one thing it could never do was sync with PDAs. I eventually got a winCE-based HPC and use Tombo, making virtual nodes in KeyNote for the Tombo text files. It's kludgy, but does work.
It would be awesome if Novo Libera could either:
a)Run on a HPC
or
b)Have enough macro ability to automate syncing with text files that get changed by another program (i.e. the equivalent of hitting CTRL+R in a Keynote Virtual Node)
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Post by Tim Penrose on Dec 15, 2005 23:48:16 GMT -5
The short answer is yes, ultimately there will be PDA support. I'm convinced that organization software will only be effective if it can be with people wherever they go.... I cannot answer when it will become available since right now its a blip on the far-end of my TO DO list. I am definitely open to short-term solutions to fill the holes...
I spent several months (too much time!) deliberating my architecture because I wanted something that was ubiquitous across all platforms. I'm sure that some will get a chuckle that in the end I chose a MS technology. Believe it or not, I began writing the application in C++ with the intention of using WxWidgets, which is a fully cross-platform GUI toolkit. I reevaluated my initial direction because I do not have the financial resources to compile and test a C++ application on every hand-held device (of which there are literally hundreds). I considered Java, Flash, HTML/Javascript, Python, Perl, and PHP. In the end I became convinced that support for .net as a cross-platform tool (including PDAs) is excellent and will only continue to grow as time goes on.
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Post by gorgon5 on Dec 20, 2005 10:01:25 GMT -5
Glad to hear it!
I am fairly new to PDA stuff, but I know the HPCs use the mostly-legacy WinCE OS instead of PocketPC. This is too bad since no PocketPCs come with a built-in keyboard, which is basically a requirement if you're going to do a lot of writing. Hopefully the technology you're using will be able to be ported to HPC 2000.
I would think the easier, short-term solution would be a fairly simple macro ability that could say "Load file x into note y" and vice versa. If you could set up a chain of those you could sync manually, if nothing else.
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Post by jumpjack on Jan 3, 2006 8:15:12 GMT -5
It would be fine if Novo Libera would be compatible with any PDA: to do this, it would be enough to be able to export in HTML format, as many PDA have integrated web browser. I think a single big HTML file (or one file per year) would be the best choice.
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Post by gorgon5 on Jan 3, 2006 17:28:02 GMT -5
It would be fine if Novo Libera would be compatible with any PDA: to do this, it would be enough to be able to export in HTML format, as many PDA have integrated web browser. I think a single big HTML file (or one file per year) would be the best choice. I don't think that's the kind of compatibility I have in mind. I need to be able to edit the files on the PDA and sync them afterwards, not just view them.
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Post by Kevin on Jan 4, 2006 15:01:17 GMT -5
I agree, editing would be nice!
But... having some sort of complete HTML export solution would be handy too... especially since it would be usable on almost any device.
I expect that if a CE version is eventually released down the road, it will be even longer (if ever) before a Palm version is released, or any other versions.
You might even want to take a look at MyBase; it is a treelike organizational program that features an online version... it has its own server and can be accessed/viewed/edited via a web browser. Pretty slick although I assume it uses javascript and advanced methods for programming so it would be interesting to know if it is completely accessible via mobile browsers.
-Kevin
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Post by gorgon5 on Jan 5, 2006 1:38:17 GMT -5
I looked at MyBase a little bit - it looks powerful but if I understand correctly you'd need a web connection to access the data on a PDA, right? That would be too limiting for me, but I like the idea of being able to sync to a web database.
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Post by Tim Penrose on Jan 27, 2006 10:38:16 GMT -5
Hi. I'm with gorgon5. The current trend in software development is towards the "occasionally connected" model. The idea is that people will use the internet for things that are non-critical, but will not use it for things that they can't live without. For example, there have been a few companies that attempted to create office productivity suites that are internet based. What they found (no surprise to me) is that people would much rather have the software on their computer, where they can better ensure that it will ALWAYS be available when they need it. Think of the extreme; if you had a heart condition, would you depend on yahoo to find the phone number for the hospital, or would you write it down? If you said "write it down", that is because in the back of your head, you consider the consequence of NOT being able to do a particular task too costly to risk it not being available to you.
The software industry switched to web-applications because of the problems with desktop application. But now people are looking back with fondness at desktop applications, and desiring to combine the best of both worlds. NovoLibera will eventually offer a server topology. But critical to the “occasionally connected” philosophy, it will offer multiple ways of managing external information locally. One example scenario is that the user will be able to pull a portion of a tree from a remote repository into their own local repository, but yet tell the application to check, when a connection is available, for updates according to some interval or event strategy.
Now I know that this does not directly address PDAs, but I do believe that it must work the same way. PDAs are growing in power and sophistication. So even if keeping local information seems expensive now, from a storage prospective, it will be an appropriate match for future PDAs.
PDA functionality will not be a 1.0 feature. But FTP remote-synchronization will be. In this scenario, two installations will be configured to synchronize to each other through an FTP site available to both.
To answer another question, I do intend to have a “publish to the web” feature. But doing so from Rich Text nodes will not be a 1.0 feature (unless someone can find me an open source RTF to HTML converter). It may, otoh, be possible in 1.0 from HTML nodes, depending on how development continues and how the beta goes.
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